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"Beyond reasonable doubt ... this is Richard III" - dorsetgirl
February 4th, 2013
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"Beyond reasonable doubt ... this is Richard III"
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Fingers crossed...

Waiting for the news on the Greyfriars skeleton: is it really King Richard III?

Listen Live Radio Leicester seems to be the place to be, unless there's a BBC pic feed I haven't found yet.

BBC live: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21319148

Excited!

ETA: Turns out it wasn't an arrow in the spine, but probably a Roman nail "disturbed from earlier layers".

They've re-researched Anne of York down to Michael Ibsen and that line checks out. And they've now discovered a second line of female descent.

"The mitochondrial DNA [from Michael Ibsen and the second line] leads to the conclusion that these are the remains of Richard III."

"Beyond reasonable doubt ... this is Richard III"

Oh my God. Just, wow.

They have just stated that he will be re-interred "in the nearest consecrated ground" which is apparently Leicester Cathedral. This will take place "probably early next year".

Blimey, according to Philippa Langley, they've already designed the tomb? And how on earth did I not know anything about the call for funds to carry out the investigation?

I wish the BBC hadn't pulled their feed when the ITV bloke stood up - very small minded of them.

ETA2: This is a rather messy post, for which apologies, but it was kind of live-blogged and I don't really feel like tidying it up at the moment. However, looking back through my offline notes, I saw this:

"The skeleton has idiopathic adolescent-onset scoliosis."

Which apparently means curvature of the spine, of unknown cause, starting after age 10.

And now I have visions of this skinny little runt, youngest sibling of the new King, utterly determined to wield a sword with the best of them and practising so hard and so long that he actually damaged his spine.




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From:thesmallhobbit
Date:February 4th, 2013 01:08 pm (UTC)
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Work has been frantic today, so I forgot all about the announcement, but very happy to read your post. It is Richard III. Hooray. And although it won't make any difference to him I am delighted that he will get a proper burial at last.
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From:dorsetgirl
Date:February 4th, 2013 03:08 pm (UTC)
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Yes, great news! They were probably very sensible to state the intended place of burial at this time, to preclude even more discussion and arguing on the subject, although I felt that if re-burial in Leicester was part of the agreement for exhumation in the first place, why wasn't this made clear at the time? Or did I miss that bit?
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From:jayb111
Date:February 4th, 2013 05:23 pm (UTC)
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Did you see the images of the skeleton on the BBC website? The degree of curvature of the spine is quite remarkable. The archaeologists' squee must have been heard all over Leicester when they uncovered that.

The jaw also matches the slightly protruding lower jaw shown in the portraits. I think even without the DNA there couldn't be much doubt.

University of Leicester has quite a lot of stuff up on their site: www.le.ac.uk, and will be adding more.
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From:dorsetgirl
Date:February 4th, 2013 05:40 pm (UTC)
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Yes, I saw the pictures and was very surprised - it's difficult to imagine the man even standing up. It would be extremely interesting to see standing pictures of people now who have the same degree of curvature.

I noticed the jawline too as soon as I saw the skull pictures this morning. I agree, the location and the bones themselves tell the story even without the DNA; but the mitochondrial DNA silences all of those who just want to be awkward. (All of those who have enough brain cells to understand it of course - even Mark Horton was quoted this morning as muttering about generations of possible illegitimacy making these results not as certain as the University claim.)
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