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I love this comment from Matthew Graham: ‘Some dramas gently and… - dorsetgirl
November 9th, 2010
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I love this comment from Matthew Graham:

‘Some dramas gently and delightfully explore the social morays of the classes in early 20th century England."

To be fair, he's already picked it up himself.

The entire discussion is interesting too, being kicked off by Jimmy McGovern basically dissing everything that isn't, er, written by Jimmy McGovern. For the record, I'm with Matthew.

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From:filthgoblin
Date:November 9th, 2010 11:04 am (UTC)
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I agree with Matthew too. If all that there was on TV was one type of drama, who would watch? I like all sorts of stuff, including the enduringly popular Doctor Who, crime series and even the odd period drama once in a while. If every screen writer was a one trick pony, and that trick was to write dramas in the style of Jimmy McGovern, the television world would not only be a very boring place but also really quite bleak!
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From:dorsetgirl
Date:November 11th, 2010 09:14 pm (UTC)
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The man talks rubbish imo. Is he saying all cake must be Battenburg, all biscuits Garibaldi's? And who gets to choose? Oh yeah, Jimmy McG. So who made him God? Blah.

I think Matthew talks a lot of rubbish too on occasion, but this time I'm with him all the way. A wonderfully elegant and sincere put-down!
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From:filthgoblin
Date:November 11th, 2010 09:23 pm (UTC)
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It is indeed a load of old cobblers. And for the record? I watched John Simm's appearance on Moving On this week, penned by the very same Mr McGovern. Simm was impeccable as ever and there was some pretty good dialogue in the show but honestly? I saw the end coming from the very start. It was trite, lazy writing and he, as someone who's been bitching off the creativity of others, should be ashamed of himself.
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From:dorsetgirl
Date:November 11th, 2010 09:56 pm (UTC)
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Interesting - I've been meaning to catch John's Moving On, for himself rather than for JMcG, but I haven't got round to it yet. Tomorrow I'll see if it's still on the iPlayer *crosses fingers*

It was trite, lazy writing and he ... should be ashamed of himself.

I shall look out for that - thanks for the info!
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From:filthgoblin
Date:November 11th, 2010 09:58 pm (UTC)
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It's definitely still worth a watch. It's always nice to see John in a role where he's bringing his darkness to the fore and even though I didn't find the story all that surprising, it's an entertaining enough way to spend 50 or so minutes :)
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From:catchester
Date:November 9th, 2010 04:03 pm (UTC)
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My mother is very much like Jimmy McGovern and looks to real life for her entertainment. She reads only biographies or true crime, she watches true crime documentaries or crime drama's. The last science fiction film she watched was Star Wars in 1977, the year I was born. She accepts that I have very different tastes but she will not watch anything that couldn't be real.

But think Jimmy McGovern misses the point of drama. Sure, some of it can tell real life tales and be relevant to the working man or womans life.

Trouble is, a lot of life is tough. Bloody tough. If he wants to spend his free time wallowing in more of the same missery (lets face it, his work is hardly a laugh fest) then he can do that.

Me? I want some escapist fun. I want to forget about my worries for a while and just enjoy a damn good story. I don't want to watch something that what will reminded me the prejudices I face, the bills I cant pay, the hopelessness of a dead end job, the misery of having been betrayed, the heartache of never being understood or the grief of losing a loved one.

What's more, I don't think that makes me a bad person or makes my views any less important than his.

I look to the news and the papers for real life. I look to the TV to be entertained.

I personally think my mother is obsessed with crime as a way to understand her violent father, and more power to her but she's 60 now and still doesn't seem to have come to terms with her past. I think Jimmy's obsession might also show he has unresolved issues regarding his upbringing and a lot of bitterness about being working class but that doesn't mean the rest of us have to wallow in our issues. Some of us like to deal with them, let go and move on.
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From:dorsetgirl
Date:November 11th, 2010 09:34 pm (UTC)
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That's a very interesting point about Jimmy having issues. I have no doubt that with his background he had to take - possibly still does take - a lot of classist sneering from the kind of upper-middle-class idiots that seem to run 'The Arts' in this country. And you have to applaud the man for writing stuff that informs and educates parts of the population that would never learn about these issues otherwise.

But having said that, if drama has to be about reality - whose reality, exactly? Because mine, while not privileged, bears no resemblance to his. Would he write a drama about a quiet street where almost everyone is white and apparently comfortable, where if people are suffering discrimination, bereavement, fear and poverty - and I know they are - they are doing it politely behind closed doors and not talking about it? Where 20% of the teenage population walks to the station every day in smart Grammar School uniforms and everyone shops in Waitrose?

Thought not. But that doesn't make it any less real.

/rant

And I totally, totally agree with you that one of the most important functions of drama is to entertain, to allow the viewer to rest and recover, to escape from real life. Sure, you can use your voice to put over a point of view, but I'm pretty certain the entertainment came first.
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From:basaltgrrl
Date:November 10th, 2010 03:35 pm (UTC)
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Hee hee! Just how social ARE morays?
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From:dorsetgirl
Date:November 11th, 2010 09:36 pm (UTC)
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Well, they're slippery buggers really, but they do like to get together sometimes.
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From:chamekke
Date:November 11th, 2010 03:47 am (UTC)
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Hee, that was my favourite bit.

I honestly wasn't sure whether it was a misspelling, or an editorial snark on the cutthroat nature of class conflict :-)
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From:dorsetgirl
Date:November 11th, 2010 09:37 pm (UTC)
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Nice idea! I bet Matthew wishes he had meant it that way, definitely.
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